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Is it possible to live and work in Israel, say, in Tel Aviv, and not speak Hebrew, but fluent Russian and English? Not that I'm even remotely considering this, but I'm just curious.

Date: 2013-03-02 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kniazhna.livejournal.com
Why not.

Date: 2013-03-02 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Because not in every country can you find a job and get around without knowing any of its language!

Date: 2013-03-02 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kniazhna.livejournal.com
I'm aware of that. But we're not talking any country: we're talking a particular one :)

Date: 2013-03-02 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Right, but I've never tried to find a job in Israel, and as much as I've been easily able to get around it socially on Russian and English, it may be the case that that only gets me so far.

Date: 2013-03-02 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yelya.livejournal.com
I lived in Israel for 3 months. I know some Hebrew, but almost never used it.

Date: 2013-03-02 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Ditto! But I never tried to get a job or any documents or services.

Date: 2013-03-03 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yelya.livejournal.com
Well, it's not like you'd be the first person who wanted to get a job or any documents or services not knowing Hebrew. Don't you think they should be somewhat familiar with the drill by now?

Date: 2013-03-03 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I guess to me, there was a difference between a person who intended to make aliyah, learn Hebrew and try to speak it, and a person who came there for a while, just because they could live and/or work in another country. The latter may not have the incentive to learn the language, especially now that I've learned just how easy it is to live in Israel without it. There is, of course, another category - those who make aliyah and choose not to integrate and live in a ghetto, but I've encountered enough of that in America to know how that works.

Date: 2013-03-02 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkapenka14.livejournal.com
Yes.
A good friend's sister moved to Israel with absolutely no Hebrew. She did pretty well. Also, I've been told by my clients - repeatedly - that you almost hear more Russian then Hebrew.

Date: 2013-03-02 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
That's very true. Did she get a job? What field? That's kind of the part I'm wondering about, socially I know it's not a problem!

Date: 2013-03-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkapenka14.livejournal.com
She did - and in marketing/public relations. She is doing absolutely great.

Date: 2013-03-02 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vremyavpered.livejournal.com
you have a childhood friend who did just that.

Date: 2013-03-02 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
More than one! But not everybody is good with languages. And, I'm sure, aside from customer service jobs, others may require less Hebrew.

Date: 2013-03-02 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamaracha.livejournal.com
In Tel Aviv I've seen waiters in restaurants who didn't speak Hebrew. Some Swedish girls coming to .il for the summer ;).

Date: 2013-03-02 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angerka.livejournal.com
Btw, Hebrew is not hard at all. Took me 3 month to start speaking and understand well.

Date: 2013-03-02 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I'm well aware, I got quite a ways into it before it fell into disuse. But not everyone is capable of learning another language, my husband being a great example of that.

Date: 2013-03-02 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruska-muska.livejournal.com
Думаю что возможно
А еще в элате тоже без иврита можно жить :)

Date: 2013-03-02 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruska-muska.livejournal.com
Точнее уверена что возможно
Пример: мой папа, ему очень сложно даются языки, прям очень
Английского нет
В Израиле живет уже около 15 лет , работает, но на иврите говорит еле еле
Читать , писать не умеет, понимает немного и говорит немного, но работает же :) и на хорошей работе

Мой друг, второй пример
Живет в элате и работает там же
Знает английский и 0 иврита
Живет уже 10 лет

Ну и я сама как то 4 года там жила :)
Правда первый год мы учили иврит и нам гос во давало деньги, мы не работали нормально
А потом кое как начав говорить я работала, причем с клиентами :)

Date: 2013-03-02 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
If you're a Russian and you choose not to integrate, that's definitely possible, I have many relatives like that in Israel and the States. And if you're alim, that's also different, you have services and Ulpan. I'm saying if you're going as a professional, looking for work. I've figured out that it is possible in large cities, and probably depends on the industry, too.

Date: 2013-03-07 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruska-muska.livejournal.com
мы были "олимы хадашимы", и да, все прошли через ульпан, но моему папе ульпан почти ничего не дал, но через 15 лет жизни там, хочешь не хочешь, но какое-то знание иврита да будет.

а друг, который в эйлате - принципиально не хочет учить и живет одним английским, благо в эйлате это возможно

Date: 2013-03-08 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was actually discussing this with some Israelis yesterday - Eilat is a thing all onto itself.

Date: 2013-03-02 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazbezanchik.livejournal.com
Absolutely, everybody knows basic english in TA. Even the foodmarket sellers :)

Date: 2013-03-02 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamaracha.livejournal.com
I think so. I know at least two people who are currently doing it. Depending what industry you're in, you can prolly do it anywhere. I have a second cousin who's been living in France for a while now with his French wife, and barely speaks any French.

Date: 2013-03-02 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I'm surprised about France! Is he working there?

Date: 2013-03-02 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkapenka14.livejournal.com
My husband lived in France for almost a year while doing his post doc. His French is very bad, bare minimum. (he tried, actually, just doesn't have a good ear for languages)

Date: 2013-03-02 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamaracha.livejournal.com
Yeah :).
I don't know how he manages, frankly. He's in academia though, so I guess knowing French is not a requirement.

Date: 2013-03-03 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess academia is the sort of a place where you can pull that off.

Date: 2013-03-02 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meylersha.livejournal.com
Можно обойтись без иврита или с минимальным ивритом. Если не работать в школе, больнице и т.д. Именно часто по этому многие англоговорящие не знают иврит, им он не очень нужен.

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