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Russians eat soup with every lunch (or it might be more correct to say dinner in this context), but Americans have it as a meal. I've never even heard Americans delineate everyday meals into the three courses that Russians do.

Meanwhile, Andy doesn't usually like soup, but I do, so we compromise and I make it infrequently. Usually, he eats it on the first day and I have it for lunch for a few days thereafter - I tend to make a big pot.

Here are some soups I've been liking to make lately:
Avgolemono
Creamed spinach soups of various kinds (or kale, too)
Ochazuke
Easy borscht: store-bought borscht soup base plus diced beets, cucumber, hardboiled eggs and sour cream (OK, it's actually more like холодник)
And maybe some other ones I'm forgetting. Maybe my brain turned to soup, too.

ETA: Thank you [livejournal.com profile] star_invention for reminding me of my other favorites:
Miso (with tofu and rice or noodles to make a full meal)
Chicken soup with matzoh balls
Creamy tomato
Various kinds of mushroom

Date: 2011-09-13 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-colacorta.livejournal.com
О, я люблю супы. Не из-за полезности, а просто люблю. :) Сегодня борщ приготовила.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kniazhna.livejournal.com
А я вчера :)
К слову - огурцы и яйца в борще? Уже на рассольник смахивает.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-colacorta.livejournal.com
Мои будущие родственники называют борщом щи. Просто говорят зелёный борщ, так я подумала, что и тут тоже имеются в виду щи.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Actually, it's холодник. At least in my circle's parlance.

Date: 2011-09-13 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-colacorta.livejournal.com
Так это совсем другое дело. :)) Люблю летом. А горячие супы зимой согревают отлично. Почему-то ни горячие напитки, ни просто горячая пища так не действуют. На меня, во всяком случае. Когда переехала в Уругвай, год без супов прожила и поняла, что мне суп необходим. Не каждый день, но очень часто едим.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kniazhna.livejournal.com
You're generalizing in that 1st paragraph there. I know no real life Russian that does that, the lj names don't count in my Russian world. Soup is a meal to them/us.
Though I do like the idea of 3 course meals that I learned of in France (not Russia).
And yeah, I hate soup. I must not be Russian.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I am indeed generalizing. Nobody is required to follow this tradition, but it's part of the culture.

Date: 2011-09-13 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kniazhna.livejournal.com
It's also a part of French culture and, I'm pretty sure, a few others.

Date: 2011-09-13 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Sure, one does not negate the other!

Date: 2011-09-13 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vg36.livejournal.com
Whenever my Mom makes soup, it's followed by a second course. We dispense with the third.

Date: 2011-09-13 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aridni.livejournal.com
в общепите есть понятие "комплексный обед", вот там как раз суп+второе+компот и десерт :)
то же самое в учреждениях типа детский лагерь, больница и т.п.
меня всегда хватало только на суп и котлету %)

Date: 2011-09-13 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
хы, а я всегда считала что это сделано для того, что если тебе не понравится суп, можно хотя бы второе поклевать или утешиться десертом)))
во всяких лагерях-санаториях еда обычно оставляла желать :-/

в америке, кстати, супы часто подаются в cups, толком не наешься. а маминого супа или борща мне всегда хватало в качестве полноценного обеда.

Date: 2011-09-13 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royal-penguin.livejournal.com
Most Russians I know that are into soup always have it as a separate meal. And a lot of American restaurants offer a choice of soup or salad as a side dish to go with your lunch...
I was never a fan of soups and stopped eating them when I was a teenager. The only soup I like is clam chowder but I hardly ever eat it.
Mark is a big fan of avgolemono. He always orders it at La Mediterranee.

Date: 2011-09-13 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I've had theirs, and I kind of like mine better! But that's because I use orzo and add cheese.

Date: 2011-09-13 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkapenka14.livejournal.com
I like soup, especially in the winter. My husband learned to like a lot of heavier Russian soups - and absolutely loves borsch (I know, I know, its Ukrainian), but he does not have this desire to eat it every day.
We've been making a ton of gazpacho lately - there are absolutely amazing dry farmed tomatoes at the farmers market this time a year, and I have a super easy recipe for making it. I seriously make 2 large batches of it a week.

Date: 2011-09-13 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I don't like peppers in any incarnation, so gazpacho is usually out of the question for me.

Date: 2011-09-13 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkapenka14.livejournal.com
:) My gazpaco does not have peppers :)

Date: 2011-09-13 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Then I shall have to try it! Not that Andy will eat it, though.

Date: 2011-09-13 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenapple82.livejournal.com
I like soup but can easily go without it for a month at a time. I tend to crave it when it's cold out. I've never liked cold summer soups. My family didn't do the 3-course meals. If we had soup for dinner, we just had the soup and maybe a salad and then tea. I almost always get a small cup of soup at Chinese and Japanese restaurants to start the meal though.

I still remember being traumatized as a kid in first grade when my teacher would insist that every kid had to finish all three courses of their lunch before leaving the table. I never had enough appetite to eat that much food. I would finish my soup and would sit there crying into my plate of so-called meat while she threatened not to let my whole table go to recess if I didn't finish. My mom had to come in and yell at her. Ever since then I have an adverse reaction to the words "pervoye i vtoroye".

Date: 2011-09-13 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I have never been on good terms with institutional food. One of my most traumatizing moments was in kindergarten - one of my teeth was wobbly and as always, I was one of the last to finish eating. The воспитательница (no wonder there isn't such a word in English!) made me stand in front of all the kids and finish my винегрет. Then my tooth fell out and she threw it away and I cried and cried because I wanted to save it. My best friend looked for it in the garbage the next day, to no avail.

The first three grades the group procession to the cafeteria and the daily yellow milk made me hate food, so by the time I transferred to a new school in the fourth grade and it was up to each student to visit the cafeteria, I just didn't. My mom gave me a ruble for lunch each week and I just didn't eat. But that's another story.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenapple82.livejournal.com
Don't know what it was about the soviet early education system that attracted so many child-hating abusive bitches. I hear stories from people all the time.

I didn't eat much as a kid either. I was picky and never had a big appetite. My mom didn't pester me much about it though. I was scrawny until my early-mid 20s. We came here right when I started the 4th grade. I went to a Jewish school for a while, and my packed lunches had to be kosher, so most days I would have a plain cheese sandwich or a plain turkey sandwich (with just the meat and bread), a piece of fruit, and some snack. I ate that way all through high school too and at some point I stopped eating breakfast because I couldn't stomach it too early in the mornings.

I don't cook a lot of russian soups. I like borscht, but Lars hates anything with beets so if I make a pot (and I always end up with a big pot) then I have to eat it all week. I prefer Italian Wedding soup to russian soup with frikodelki. I like chicken soup, but I make it with a bunch of veggies, not just chicken and noodles like my mom's. I prefer minestrone to my mom's bean soup recipe (again, more veggies!). And my favorites are creamy soups like cream of broccoli or clam chowder.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I think the Soviet Union was conducive in its structure to producing a lot of bitches! I mean, I'd be angry if I had to stand in line and wear uncomfortable shoes all the time!

I totally didn't eat much as a kid, I think I survived on grechka and potatoes.

And speaking of frikadelki - Two-ball soup! But yes, creamy soups are the best - Andy complains about the fat content so I use skim milk and a bit of corn starch, the consistency is just as good.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
Эх, а я в детстве частенько выливала суп/борщ в унитаз, лишь бы не есть его... По большому счету не имею ничего против супов, но есть в течение 4-5 дней на обед одно и то же - утомляет. Сейчас вот готовлю изредка, по настроению, и учусь не использовать большую кастрюлю :)

Date: 2011-09-13 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Ha! I did too! I almost never liked my mother's cooking and the toilet consumed way more of it than I did! But to be honest, I barely ate anything until I got to America.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
Да, до подросткового возраста я ела очень мало. Потом, видимо, гормоны взыграли, и я начала ЖРАТЬ! А мне никто не сказал, что от еды толстеют!!! Ну все ж привыкли, что я ничо не ем, и радовались, что теперь я ем много)) В общем, когда я сообразила, что лишние килограммы таки начинают собираться в области проблемных зон, и метаболизм у меня не как у астеников, привычка уже сформировалась :-/

Date: 2011-09-13 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Well, simultaneously moving to the country of such food and hitting puberty certainly didn't help my weight!

Date: 2011-09-13 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
Оооо, да. Могу себе представить :-/
Моя одноклассница когда-то съездила в старшей школе на год всего по обмену в Штаты, и набрала 10 кг! Это тогда, когда средний вес девочки ее возраста был 40-45 кг, и при том что во втором полугодии она спохватилась и начала регулярно ходить в бассейн.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
It is a stereotype that everyone gets fat when they come to America, but I think it's just because food tastes better, there's more of it, and we don't walk as much. City people in certain cities do tend to be thinner, though, but most Americans don't live in such cities.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
Да, я тоже думаю, что вопрос больше в количестве соблазнов, а не во вредности еды как таковой) Я тут набрала сперва, потом сбросила - когда перестали ходить по ресторанам и начала хоть немного заниматься спортом. Такого, как пугают некоторые, когда бесконтрольно толстеешь и ничего сделать не можешь, ттт, не наблюдалось. Законы все те же, что и на родине.
А одноклассница ездила в США из Украины в середине 90-х. Понятно, какое там тогда было разнообразие)

Date: 2011-09-13 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3eta.livejournal.com
Дааа, список оставленного в холодильнике - впечатляет!)

Date: 2011-09-13 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I won't eat any of that stuff now! Well, maybe the strawberry yogurt, if it's the good kind!

Date: 2011-09-13 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-colacorta.livejournal.com
Ну не совсем стереотипы. Мой Хамстер приехал в штаты из продуктового уругвайского изобилия и за год стал в два раза толще. Тут=то больше натуральных продуктов, а у вас продукты отличаются. Больше жира, везде кукурузный сироп добавляют и прочие дела. Он ел-то то же самое по названию, но другое по содержанию.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Just because it's a stereotype doesn't mean it doesn't actually happen to a lot of people. It certainly happened to me, but I also hit puberty at the same time.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-invention.livejournal.com
I love soups. Don't make them often, but often enough to satisfy my cravings. A list of my soups is as follows:

Borsch
Italian Wedding Soup
Minestrone
Fish soup (not to be confused with 'uha' - bleh)
Turkey veggie soup
Matzoh ball soup with chichen/turkey
Misso soup
Rassol'nik

I think there are a couple more, but I don't remember now.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Thank you, you have reminded me that I am totally missing many of my staples in my soup list! I'll add them right away!

Unfortunately, I can't consume many typical American soups because I can't even stand the smell of celery, and it's a frequent ingredient in broths.

Date: 2011-09-13 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-invention.livejournal.com
Celery should not be a 'be all end all' ingredient. You can just skip it altogether or substitute with something you like. May be leeks would work for you? Generally celery is used together with onion and carrot to make the flavor base. When I don't have celery at home and cook without it, I can't even taste the difference. so don't let that stop you from trying other things.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Oh, I certainly can figure out a soup without it, it's just that many times I go to restaurants and I want a healthier option, but all the soups have it. Even the fucking Soup Company has it in most of their soups, so most times I get the decidedly unhealthy tomato or potato.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenapple82.livejournal.com
I leave celery out most of the time unless we already have it in the house. I don't like it and almost never buy it on purpose. I don't think leaving it out takes a lot away from the flavor. You can always substitute some other veggies.

Date: 2011-09-13 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenapple82.livejournal.com
yeah, that is a problem :( I rarely order soup when eating out so I didn't think of that.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mar-go202.livejournal.com
Мне понравился в последнее время минестроне. И только на пятый год супружеской жизни, я научилась готовить в маленькой кастрюле :) на 4-5 порций.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I like it in theory, but it tends to contain my nemesis - celery.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-13 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belochka.livejournal.com
i was pleasantly surprised by this recipe:
http://www.ruscuisine.com/recipes/soups/n--85

it looks like a lot of ingredients, but i had a spice mix (cajun-style) that contained pretty much that exact mix of all of the herbs
also, i hated the idea of using ketchup, so just used tomato paste instead

Date: 2011-09-13 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
Oh no, it's got the dreaded celery in it! And hot sauce! I like the idea, maybe I'd implement it differently.

Date: 2011-09-13 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belochka.livejournal.com
the celery root definitely isn't a key ingredient
the dried cherries, however, are -- they are such an amazing combination with the lamb

Date: 2011-09-13 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elarbee.livejournal.com
I love meat and cherries - my mother makes this awesome Jewish beef stew with cherry preserves. I just wish she wouldn't put whole cloves in it!

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